3/22/2013

Time to stop the housing ponzi



The pioneer of Singapore’s public housing, Dr Liu Thai Ker, has spoken on the need for HDB to return the basics. Dr Aline Wong also joined the call. HDB should go back to provide a roof for all Singaporeans. More and more senior elites from the establishment are saying that things are not going right and needed to take a step back. And the solutions offered by Liu Thai Ker to stop the housing ponzi are not calculus but simple common sense. Build public flats with no frills and build a little extra to the supply. The prices of public housing will adjust accordingly.

The same call was made by Boon Wan but with many catches. Back to basics to offer cheaper flats will necessitate adjusting the products for sale and one could end up buying half an apple, like shorter lease, conditions to sell back to HDB and all the jazz. Why like that?

In today’s media, it was reported that 2 rm and 3 rm flats can be sold at a net price of $57k and $159k respectively after setting off the grants. Hey these prices are quite decent and reasonable. If this can be done, why is there a need to tweak the terms of sales to bring down the prices? Many silly suggestions to make HDB prices cheaper were made by muddle head Singaporeans. The actual cost of building public flat is very much lower and the sale price can be brought down without all the silly suggestions. The fact that the cost of building the flats is being kept secret is telling a big story.

What so far transpired in the media is that the Govt is preoccupied with the need to keep property prices going up. If we don’t bring in more migrants, property prices will come down. What rubbish. Now you understand why 6.9m is necessary? It is to prop up property prices as part of the ponzi scheme. The SERS and en bloc sales will not be feasible without more and more buyers in the pipeline. Every old flat pulled down must be replaced by 5 new flats to justify the cost of rebuilding. Thus, it means you need 5 times the buyers to sustain the scheme. The population must continue to grow even after 6.9m if the property price is go be kept up.

This gravity defying act, by meddling with market forces and supply and demand will all come to naught without the increasing influx of migrants. The 99 year lease will dictate that all such flats must end up with zero value unless they can be pulled down before the lease expires. The ponzi scheme must come to an end sooner or later as the island just cannot keep taking in more and more people and the price of flats keep going up while the workers remain as CBF.

It is better to stop the ponzi housing scheme now with lesser people being hurt and less badly than to allow it to snowball to monstrosity and beyond control, like the American national debt. Too big to do anything or unsolvable without a total collapse of the system.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is a good example of lack of public accountability and is only possible when a party is in full control for a long period of time. Housing problem is not new. There are cries from the ground all these while, but the government decided to take this as noise. WTF

patriot said...

Why are the veterans coming in now and not before while all the schemes were ongoing and implemented?

Are they worry about their quality of living and safety?
Or
are they worry of bubble depleting the values of their own assets?

patriot

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Hi Patriot, I think many of these yoda elites are fair minded people and they too like the ordinary Singaporeans, hoping that things will get better. Now many have reach the beh tahan stage and have to speak out.

Most of them are very rich and have many properties and the higher the property prices, the better will be their asset value. But they know that the average Sinkies will be hurt the most.

So they are trying to warn the reckless from going too wild.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Hi Patriot, I think many of these yoda elites are fair minded people and they too like the ordinary Singaporeans, hoping that things will get better. Now many have reach the beh tahan stage and have to speak out.

Most of them are very rich and have many properties and the higher the property prices, the better will be their asset value. But they know that the average Sinkies will be hurt the most.

So they are trying to warn the reckless from going too wild.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

The number of HDB "owners" -- people who sacrifice "their" CPF to obtain a government-controlled supply of "public housing which has evolved into a money-making, asset-enhancing scheme with potential returns better than what Uber Very Clever Capitalist Warren Buffet can generate -- far OUTNUMBERS the people holding their balls and screaming for "affordable" homes.

If HDB "returned to basics", there will definitely be blood in the streets. So much blood in fact that it would flow into the Singapore River, mostly coming from parliament house :-))

The genie is OUT of the bottle. That magic genie creates cash-flows and capital gains for millions of Singaporeans. "Returning to basics" will cut off their chance of a "big score" -- many investing several hundred thousand dollars of their own money as well as "their" CPF. No way lah. Even the police and military won't protect the government because many of their personnel are Heartlanders.

"Returning to basics" will fracture families -- pitching one generation against the other. The in-fighting will break out even in the most traditional well-knit families, tearing them asunder.

>> HDB should go back to provide a roof for all Singaporeans

That's impossible. That is a stupid idea and a really dumb statement to make. How is it possible to even believe this SHIT -- that it would be possible for ONE agency to PROVIDE FULFILMENT of a specific need FOR EVERYONE?

You might as well make a claim that McDonald's should be the one and only provider of food for the entire planet.

The HDB-CPF-tax-Ponzi-political-bludgeoning-weapon scheme is an unwieldy, complicated, dynamic beast which has attached itself like a toxic leech to Singapore culture itself. The component parts -- mostly mutually exclusive under "normal" circumstances -- have been cleverly assembled into a machine which impacts economically, financially, socially, politically and on the basic personal level: the feeling of security of being in your own space: your HOME.

Sorry to inform you, try as you might, you cannot unravel it; or put the genie back in the bottle. Once the damn thing becomes CULTURAL, it is there to stay and will only change SLOWLY, in this case increasing instead of decreasing because of the chance of personal gain.

And when people KNOW that there is GAIN to be had, they WILL ALWAYS focus on their self-interest. Your needs are not even in their consciousness. (Human Nature -- we all have it).

Return to basics ===> Civil War

Anonymous said...

Gain to be had only for the childless. Those with children, the more the more scary. Papa mama made gain, children all have to pay through their noses, through a life time. 4 children means times 4 life time family income.

Veritas said...

Dissenting elites are the best person to brought society forward. Bloodless revolution can only happen when key participants are dissenting elites.

The fall of USSR, the Roosevelt New Deal is bloodless revolution.

More should come out and speak up. The bloggers has also contributed much to the change in atmosphere.

Merely 1 years ago, it is fanciful to accused Singaporeans of xenophobic. With more citizen informed by social media, today calling Singaporeans xenophobic is increasingly seen as political suicide.

Don under estimate KPKB in social media. Once all citizen are as little as 10%, as informed as RB, PAP will get 0 vote in next election.

I was in management position. I tasted power dynamic. And extrapolating, all elites fear informed citizen.

Informed citizens are very difficult to manipulate. Informed citizen will make every implementation of policy difficult.

Other than that, we need insider to blow whistle. I have yet to yet incumbent coming out to fuck PAP big time.

patriot said...

Redbean;

noted and thank You for your explanation.

Mr Matilah Singapuras' Post followinh yours explains it all. The Consequences and eventuality are obviously and clearly in the making all these years and our elites and leaders must have been aware. They supported and take advantage of all the schemes.

Now that it has reached a dangerous point, the more the elites have hoarded and accumulated, the more they are threaten. So the noises from them start to come in.

Our reasonable and legitimate complaints and criticism were also noises in the past.

Me maybe an exception; the noises from the top are music. Play on please.

patriot

Anonymous said...

This is a real time bomb.

I do not forsee HDB being able to go back to basics, not with tens of thousands of Singaporeans already up to their necks in servicing their housing loans on expensive and overvalued HDB flats. They are going to cry foul! Sure, they bought with their eyes wide open, but do they have a choice?

The only plausible way would be the building of cheaper HDB flats with shorter leases, say 60 years as many have envisaged. That is a possibility, but a word of caution is that at what price and how hasic will the cost be? We shall see.

Anonymous said...

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fm local PMET

Anonymous said...

Hi rb,

Thanks for calling a spade a spade. This asset enhancement scheme has always been that, a ponzi scheme.

Proof, those who bought early benefited greatly. Late-comers are having to cough out larger and larger amounts.

All ponzi schemes end badly.

The government will deny such a situation and will only make changes to make it ponzi-like or less ponzi in structure. This is an extremely difficult task and a world's first if successful.

But, an unsustainable platform is doomed unless real reforms are made. And time is not at hand.

Because of this, we see ministers pussy-footing around the issues, be it hdb, population, transport, cpf, wages, etc.

One cannot deal with a problem if he is in self denial, worse still pretending that it is not a problem.

This would surely blow up in their own faces. Unfortunately, other consequences are unavoidable.

Meanwhile, don't get too worked up over the pussy footing acts......

faber

Veritas said...
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Veritas said...

Goh Chok Tong's mother should canned Goh's ass, for starting this asset ponzi. Coming from poor background, he knew 1000% better than everyone that asset ponzi hit the poor. Goh has screwed his childhood kampong friend. Also Goh read economics. The father of economics Adam Smiths hate landlord, and rent seeking from property. Go read his "Wealth of Nations".

In short Goh has betrayed everyone. He implemented asset ponzi that was cursed by Adam Smith.

Goh is a liar, and a wicked person. Also the FT policy in current form started under his watch.

Anonymous said...

Well, holy ghost is really unholy. Remember, he is not the top rated person for the job.

What can you say about someonw with a quitter daughter calling other Singaporeans who left as quitters?

Anonymous said...

Should cane his Mother n Father for his poor upbringing lah.
Or
his Children to tell Goh Chok Tong themselves that Chok Tong is ting tong.

The said...

The basic idea about BTO is flawed - and a fatal flaw. Which private developer has the luxury of knowing that his project will have a take-up rate of at least 80% (or 70% or 90%) before embarking on the development? This is tantamount to "pau chiak" - sure to make money.

True free market private developers have to take the risk, bid for land and build within the timeframe dictated by the URA. And there is no guarantee that there will be buyers.

Yet we have this hare-brained sure-fire scheme called Build-To-Order. In other words, HDB will only build when the order book is almost filled. Not enough order, don't build. You can see why the prices can only rachet upwards.

This is the screwed-up so-called "market" mechanism that ensures prices can only spiral upwards.

Anonymous said...

'there is no free lunch'

They have to continue to import more foreigners to support the hdb prices. For hdb prices to keep going up, the well being of the people has to be compromised. Short term gains for long term woes. When their kids and grand kids get their flats, the high prices will get to them as well.

Anonymous said...

they think their children or grandchildren will be blessed to earn the same kind of money to service those expensive properties.

the next govt may just up property tax for private properties and estate duties and they will go on a tail spin. all the old rich, inherited wealth will all be returned to the govt through taxes.

Anonymous said...

Boon wan can go and sell chicken rice. Normal chicken rice priced at $3.00. Chicken rice without chicken meat $1.00. Can claim this is highly affordable ! He thun ka seow !

Anonymous said...

Or HDB flats with short leases, common toilets and kitchen at each floor, carry-in garbage disposal centre for each cluster of such flats. Careful what we wish for because the PAP will grant you your wish especially when it is to their great advantage.

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